Libya channel is the full text to meet Aref Al -Nayed.

The head of the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies, Dr. Aref Al-Nayed, said that the elections are a national entitlement, and that no country can enjoy legitimacy except through funds. In an exclusive interview with Libya Channel, last Tuesday, Al-Nayed stressed the need to hold elections with The end of the year to renew the legitimacy of the country, pointing out that the current constitution was written in difficult circumstances, and did not include the Tabu and Berbers. Al-Nayed added that all Libyans witnessed what happened in the country after the Brotherhood took control of the state’s joints, welcoming the “Brotherhood” to the elections as individuals and people In the first place, Nayed explained that he had submitted many complaints to the Public Prosecutor against those who tried to keep him away from the elections with malicious campaigns, after announcing his candidacy for the presidential elections since last March, stressing that winning the elections and running for them is a patriotic duty.

The following is the full text of the interview with the head of the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies, Aref al-Nayed, via Libya TV:

Q: Why do you insist so strongly on holding presidential and parliamentary elections before the referendum on the constitution in Libya? A: Let us take this issue in two parts. Why insist on elections? We know that legitimacy in any democratic country does not come except through the people, except through the fund, and we We see that all the legitimacy in Libya currently suffers from a lot of deficiency, sometimes because of the expiry of the term and sometimes because of poor performance. The results of the Paris conference have set dates for September 16, 2018 to lay the constitutional basis for these elections, and December 10, 2018 for the presidential and parliamentary elections. As for the second part, why are the elections before the constitution? Libya for Advanced Studies in supporting the commission that undertook writing the constitution. We have supported this commission over the years and we are now supporting that there be a constitution and that there be a referendum on the constitution, but we see that the referendum at the present time will cause great problems, and the problems in a nutshell lie in Article 183, which does not Many people pay attention to it even on the assumption of a yes referendum. This draft says that there will be 90 days and then another 240 days before there will be any elections. In other words, even if we assumed that we were able to hold a referendum on the constitution and the Libyan people said yes, this means that there will be a year Another year of waiting before the elections. Another year of the tragic situation that the country is now living through. Another year of what we see of the suffering of the Libyan people in bank lines, petrol queues, rising bread prices, and other living problems that people do not need to mention much because they are clearly visible in this particular article. It is the basic form, and therefore I think it is very important, and this is my personal opinion, and every Libyan is free in his opinion that elections must be held by the end of this year in order to renew the legitimacy of democracy in this country and get rid of all these feuding bodies.

Q: Is this really the reason why you prefer elections over the constitution? A: Yes, this is the main reason. There are other reasons, including that the Tabu gentlemen are not included in this constitution and the opinions of the Amazigh gentlemen are not included, and this constitution was written in very difficult circumstances I see that the societal consensus needed by any constitution in any country is not available, and this is another matter. The main issue is that the referendum now means extending the life of the reconciliation government for another year, extending the life of Parliament for another year, and extending the State Council for another year.

Q: This also means that it prevents you from running for the presidency or for any other sovereign position, given that the current draft constitution prevents non-Libyan nationals from running because it destroys your dreams of the presidency? A person waits another year to run for the presidency, but the issue of nationality. I want to give news that may be unpleasant to many of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Libyan Fighting Group and the groups that crammed such material and set not only the condition of revoking the nationality, but the condition of revoking the nationality one year before the candidacy, which was intended to incapacitate me and exclude many other than me.

I want to inform all of them that, contrary to what they expect, I have given up my Canadian citizenship since September 2015, when Parliament nominated me among 14 names and sent a letter to Mr. Leon on the basis that he chooses two names from them in the Presidential Council at that time the Prime Minister. Unfortunately, Leon threw 14 names aside He flouted the parliament's message and chose Mr. Al-Sarraj, who was not on the list.

Q: I mean, you do not now hold a nationality other than the Libyan one? A: I do not hold a nationality other than the Libyan nationality, and the Canadian nationality was revoked more than a year ago. The draft constitution does not harm me at all, and this is contrary to everything the Brotherhood pages say. Unfortunately, they promote that I object to a draft. The constitution is for this reason. This reason is not fulfilled in my right, and they have to look for other things if they want to prevent me from running.

Q: You think that the Brotherhood is behind setting the condition for renouncing non-Libyan nationality at least a year before the date of opening the door for candidacy for any position, either presidential or even sovereign, such as the House of Representatives. Why do you think that the Brotherhood is the one who set that and this applies to them? They too if they hold another nationality? A: Yes, but what we have seen in the past over the past 7 years is that it did not apply to any of the Brotherhood. A person with American nationality chaired the conference, and the governments were headed by eminent Libyan personalities with American and Canadian nationalities, and no one spoke about that except in the case of Dr. Al-Tarhouni, whom they expelled from the commission because of his American citizenship, usually applies only to the opponents of the Brotherhood, not to the Brotherhood.

As for how do we know that they are the ones who put this article, there is no secret in Libya, and what the commission is discussing is known to all, and we know exactly who proposed it and who insisted and mentioned names specifically intended to be excluded, not only my name, but they thought that they would keep us away with this article.

Q: Did your renunciation of Canadian citizenship come out of love for Libya, or for love of chairs? A: For love of Libya, and the Lord Almighty knows best about intentions, and I know that there are many people who judge intentions these days, and they do not hesitate in that since days, someone said My eyes are on the central bank and judgment is on my intention. I mean, judgment is on the intentions of God Almighty. Even the Chosen One, peace be upon him, used to judge by appearances. So who gives you the right to judge another person’s intention? My intention is to serve my country.

Q: You announced your intention to run for the presidential elections, if they were actually held on December 10 before the end of this year? A: I have struggled since March, and the reason for my announcement is because I know all these machinations that are happening so far. There are at least 3 complaints to the Attorney General. against me to keep me from running.

Q: But it seems that you insist on entering this presidential race. Do you think that you have chances or chances to win this presidential election, the first of its kind in the history of Libya? A: The issue is not a matter of chances of success or lack of success. The issue is a moral and legitimate duty. I was Part of the events of February 17, I came out early in this revolution on the 19th, and I had an important role in its early stages. Unfortunately, this revolution was stolen and became a catastrophe for the country and became a disaster for the country.

The results of what happened in 2011, in fact, according to all human standards, is a humanitarian catastrophe. Any person who has an iota of sense of responsibility must admit this and he must try to fix what was corrupted during these 7 years. I know the location of this corruption. This corruption happened because certain groups were able to The joints of the state, and because of the support of certain countries for these ideological groups, to the extent that they spoiled our joy and spoiled our freedom for us.

Q: There are those who believe that Aref al-Nayed did not participate in the February 17 revolution out of belief in the principles of the February 17 revolution that he always talks about, but your participation was of a vengeful nature because the Gaddafi government in 1978 seized the construction company that was owned by your father, Ali al-Nayed, and this reinforced Your hatred of the Gaddafi regime and Gaddafi himself, which made you participate out of revenge and hatred, not out of love for the principles of a revolution based on Gaddafi? A: First, my father, may God have mercy on him when he crawled against him, as it is said, this creeping expression was his response to God what he gave and to God what he took, and this was the feeling of the whole family. We all felt that we had no idea about the story of revenge or revenge for money that God Almighty gives it and takes it as He pleases. I personally and my partner implemented more than 75 successful projects in Libya, and when we trained more than 200 young men and engineers in Libya, we returned to Libya and worked in Libya many years before the revolution.

Q: Did you reconcile with Gaddafi? A: Yes, the father reconciled with Gaddafi since the eighties, and we returned to Libya in the early nineties.

Q: Many are betting on your resounding loss in front of potential candidates such as Khalifa Haftar and Saif al-Islam Gaddafi. How do you comment? A: I believe that the duty is to run, and I call every Libyan young man and every Libyan woman and every man and woman who believe in themselves that they have competence That they run not only for the presidency, but also for parliament, and that they run for municipalities. We do not leave the arena for people who we firmly believe that we can perform better than them. Therefore, everyone who sees himself as competent must run. The issue of fortunes or not, this is not in my hands and not in the hands of any candidate. This is in the hands of Libyan people.

Q: But it is an electoral race, and it is very natural to look at your political opponents who are competing with you in these elections? A: I do not see that Field Marshal Haftar is an opponent, nor is Saif al-Islam an opponent. Every patriotic Libyan who loves Libya is not an opponent. My only opponent is terrorism and the supportive groups and parties for terrorism.

Q: Let's say we elected you and you became the president of Libya starting from the day of tomorrow. How can we trust that you will not repeat the experience of Fayez al-Sarraj and the Presidential Council by entering and working from Tripoli, for example (where will the headquarters and office be and who will follow your instructions)? A: The issue is not a matter of personal opinion or personal effort. They are work teams and plans drawn from integrated groups of people and security, military, civil and economic plans.

Q: Even the Skhirat Agreement was like that, but it did not succeed? A: Each according to what he has. We have work teams that have worked for years to form a complete vision for the country called the Vision of Reviving Libya 2023, which is available on the Internet, and we consulted on it with wide segments of all Libyan experts. The military issue, I believe, should be left to the military, and the military issue, thank God, the Libyan officers and the Libyan military have proven a very high degree of awareness and unification of efforts beyond civilians. The military is inclusive for all and protects the homeland for the sovereignty of the homeland. It has Libyan military advisors who were able to reach real solutions.

Q: But it has not unified yet? A: It has not yet unified because there is no presidency that respects the military institution. With each other from the south, east and west, they are united more than any other segment of the Libyan people. The most unified segments are the scouts, the army, and the Red Crescent. These institutions are unitary with distinction, and the Libyan army is able to unite itself by itself, provided that the civil presidency respects it and gives the Libyan army the opportunity to protect the homeland and defend itself. His prestige in front of this world Almtkalb us.

Q: What would you do if you were the head of this military institution as long as you say that there is no presidency today that respects the institution and at least its meetings and unification? A: First, I salute the efforts that began in the city of Al-Asabaa and are now continuing in Cairo. I salute them and ask them to reach A formula for an integrated military council in which there is a hierarchy of seniority in which all military specifications are in place, and the Libyan army is the one that defends the Libyan people and defends the homeland and the Libyan police. Tripoli, this is at the municipal level. It is very possible that this will happen at the level of the security directorates, and it is very possible to unify the police in all of Libya.. Libya does not lack neither policemen nor army men nor brave officers and non-commissioned officers. The ranks of these cadres and to give them the opportunity to present the military and security plans to protect them.

Q: Military leaders from different regions of Libya used to meet at successive intervals for months in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, meeting on their own without any interference or presence other than the military presence they represent. I mean, what is the criterion for success?.. In every meeting they get closer to the end, and in the last meetings we saw the chiefs of staff from both sides of the country meeting. What is the criterion for lack of success?.. There are great successes, yes, they did not finish their work, and I believe that not finishing this work is due to If the civilian leaderships were serious about unifying the ranks of the army, the results would have been more prominent and better. I believe that we are on the verge of unifying the military institution, and we must rely on the military institution only to defend the borders of the homeland and protect the prestige of the state and its entity, and we rely on the Shatra only to protect the people inside the cities.

Q: What if you were president and this military institution did not unify yet, and there remained two chiefs of staff, two armies, and instructions from two poles, how would your position be here? A: We do not personalize the issue to talk about which president comes Al-Sarraj, not an elected president, but a person chosen by Leon from outside the list, and this is A very important point, and I think it lies in the story. If Lyon followed what was approved by Parliament in the fourth draft and chose from the 14 names, such a government would be able to obtain confidence and the division that occurred would not have occurred.

The division that occurred occurred due to a violation of what was agreed upon in the fourth draft, and it happened, unfortunately, because of the haste of the International Council to recognize a government that is not recognized by the Libyan Parliament. All will be open to judicial appeal in the future.

What I say is that any president elected by the Libyan people will have powers and will have an effectiveness that has never been achieved in the past 7 years, because in these 7 years we have never elected a president, and unfortunately, whenever the time comes to elect a president in Libya, the matter is postponed.. the conference postponed it, and then the conference came. The Febrere Committee said that the biggest problem in the conference was the confusion between the executive and the legislative, and that presidential elections must be held in addition to parliamentary elections.

What happened after the parliament was elected, it sat in a session and approved the presidential elections, but postponed them indefinitely. This decision No. 5 of 2014 is very, very important because it was a full quorum and an absolute majority and approved the presidential elections. Why was the presidential elections put in the drawer since 2014? It should have been A president is elected, and if a president was elected, the country would have been united because the president elected by the Libyan people has powers, entitlements, capabilities and effectiveness that exceed any unelected person.

Q: But in the end, this president does not have a magic wand. If the unification of the military institution is delayed and it remains as it is now, the presidential candidate, where will he take sides? A: The military reality on the ground in Libya now makes the military zones a reality, meaning there are zones. The control and influence of different personalities and different military leaders will not allow any military leadership to prevail over the rest of the leaders. By the nature of the current situation on the ground, when the military establishment unites by unifying these regions and presiding over these regions, I believe that it is possible and easier than many believe for the military establishment to unite.

As for the police institution or the interior institution, it is easier to unify it through the security directorates when the municipalities unite and meet. This means that the directorates can unite and meet as well. And from the judiciary, such a system of balances, I believe, is capable of extricating the country from what it is in.

Q: What would your position be if the army did not unite? A: I cannot answer you about scenarios in our vision there. As I told you there are specialized work teams and there are plans. I cannot answer you about all hypotheses. I believe that the situation will not be worse than it is now. In fact, I believe that the greatest possibility is that it will be better than it is now.

Q: In the absence of a strong constitutional basis, and I mean a permanent constitution, and this constitution, which is supposed to restrict the powers of the elected president, there are real fears among some Libyans that the winner of the presidential elections will have everything or do anything, and this, according to those concerned, would fuel the conflict and that Aggravates the current crisis? A: There is a major fallacy in this matter. There are those who promote to people that if the permanent constitution is not issued, then there is no constitutional basis, and that there is a danger to freedoms and a danger to the issue of individuals in terms of powers, and other than that. This is not true. We have now lived 7 years The Libyan people are governed through the Constitutional Declaration and the Constitutional Declaration is a constitutional basis, and it contains chapters on human rights and chapters on powers. As for the issue of the powers of the president, the limits of the powers of the president, the limits of the powers of Parliament, the judiciary, and the separation of powers, all of this is found in the February proposals that were included in the Constitutional Declaration through the seventh and eighth amendments. .

Q: How do you understand the position of the Supreme Council of State and the rest of the currents affiliated with what defines political Islam regarding this draft constitution? A: Very unfortunately, when the head of the State Council says that he did not read the draft, but it must be approved and put to a referendum on it first of all, I see that in The matter is doubts, I mean, how do you insist on a draft that you have not read? I mean, if this is the matter of the President of the State Council, and this is an official statement that is found in a video on the Internet. 183, which gives an additional year to existing bodies and gives 42 billion new budget for those who have spent 300 billion so far.

Q: Was it not clear in that interview that the President of the High Council of State meant that he insists on the referendum and that he stresses the importance of the referendum on the constitution? A: He will insist on the referendum because this referendum will perpetuate his life for another year in the chair. This is what I think.

Q: The House of Representatives, we saw in the last session, almost passed the referendum law on the constitution had it not been for that controversy that arose because of an unconstitutional article that was vaguely included in the draft law. Because of this controversy, the session was suspended for two weeks, and another week remained. Representatives The referendum law on the current draft constitution, therefore, don’t you think that all your words have outlived their time and are meaningless? A: The House of Representatives is still, until this moment, the elected council of the Libyan people, and among all the shaky legitimacy, it is still the most stable legitimacy, but there are problems with the House of Representatives in terms of Technical technology has outlived its age now, history has passed at the beginning of this month, and it is considered finished. Of course, it is the last elected body that does not fall in reality and can renew for itself, and so on. But there are real forms of people's feelings about the legitimacy of this council.

Secondly, there is no guarantee for the supporters of the draft constitution that the referendum law will be issued in the next session, and the required quorum may not be achieved. In my opinion, the best explanation is 120 deputies. Presidency of the Council of State and among the personalities who attended Paris with the testimony of the world and the testimony of heads of state, they committed themselves on September 16 to have a constitutional basis.

If they could not pass the referendum law on the constitution, then a constitutional framework for the elections must be found. Either they will bring out Law No. 5 of 2014, which has been on the list since that time, and say, “We decided that there will be presidential elections, and we included that in the constitutional declaration, and therefore we have to go to the elections.” On this date on that constitutional rule.

Or that they come up with another constitutional rule, taking, for example, the outputs of the February committee and including them in the constitutional declaration again, but they have to come up with a solution for the Libyan people. I fear what I fear. The unknown, and the people may get tired of that. In fact, it deeply touched my heart when that man said, “The people are fortunate, the people are fortunate,” because how can we morally, legally, patriotically, or legally accept these queues? How do we accept the issue of the lack of gasoline, and how do we accept 12 and 14 hours of power outages? How do we accept people dying of cancer because there are no doses to treat them? People are stung by scorpions in the south and die because there are no vaccines. This is unbelievable.

Q: There is a constitutional entitlement before the House of Representatives that requires the referendum law to be issued as soon as the draft constitution is determined? A: We respect this, and if Parliament approved the referendum law, we will go to the referendum, thank God. I am registered as a voter, and I will go cast my vote as all Libyans cast. Parliament, but procrastinating and continuing to procrastinate is the problem.. Yes or no. Is there a law for the referendum or not? Can you come up with a law for the referendum at this time and quickly, or will you procrastinate for another year and another year?

The clause is actually open, and this is a big problem. I wished that the salaries of the deputies were not of these amounts, and if the benefits were not these advantages, because unfortunately, when such positions become spoils, it is difficult for people to leave them. In fact, there is a real feeling that there is procrastination to prolong the life of the current bodies.

Q: As if you put the deputies in one basket? A: I do not put all the deputies in one basket. I have seen and met some of the deputies who fear God’s creation and are good people, and I have seen among the deputies some of the greatest corruption in reality, because the matter does not generalize there are patriotic people Among the deputies, there are people who, unfortunately, try to prolong, but rather try to procrastinate and sometimes negotiate a so-called unity and national unity at times and through negotiations to divide ministries, agencies, positions and embassies at this time when the Libyan is really starving in his stomach, and with which people suffer in the sun and who tries to make students read their book in the dark in the dark. At this very time, we find that people are still procrastinating. This is a strange thing.

Q: What do you think about talking about the Paris meeting and its outcomes, and what do you think about the Italian position and the recent statements of the Italian ambassador to Libya regarding the French initiative? A: First, I think that the story of the conflict between France and Italy is exaggerated. I mean, we must not forget that the outcomes of the Paris conference It was witnessed by all delegations, including the Italian delegation, and then the Security Council took this document and issued a statement supporting this document, and Italy was present, and there is Italian support for what came in the Paris outcomes.

Secondly, there is Italian support for the general issue, which is that the United Nations is the guarantor of the plan to get out of this tunnel in which we are in, and that the plan of the United Nations mission is the plan that everyone agrees upon. There is an acknowledgment by everyone, including Italy and France, that no country should be outside The squadron must work according to the plan of the Special Envoy, Mr. Ghassan Salame. The exaggeration of the issue of the Franco-Italian dispute, I think, is an issue in which there is a lot of exaggeration. The reason may be that some Italians bragged about the visit of their Prime Minister to Mr. Trump, and they rejoiced in this visit and gave expressions indicating that they are supported by Trump and that they have a kind of special guardianship, special care, or special interest in the Libyan file, of course, and this thinking is an insult to the Libyan people and an insult to Libya’s sovereignty as a member of the United Nations. No one has guardianship over Libya except for the Libyan people. No one has the right to speak on our behalf or be a guardian of Libya .. Libya is a guardian of itself, and the Libyan people are the only guardian of themselves, so His Excellency the Italian Ambassador may have been right in some of his expressions, but also, in fairness, the interview was two hours, and there were many expressions in support of the elections in which he said that he is with the elections and as soon as possible, and with the elections and the availability of conditions It is true that no sane person disagrees with it. There are some expressions that he made a mistake, especially at the end of the episode, and with your psychological pressure on His Excellency the Ambassador. It is not easy to dialogue with you. The truth is, and I feel this psychological pressure now. The Italian embassy must correct what the ambassador made, correct the vision and confirm However, they support elections if the Libyan people want elections, because neither Italy nor France nor any other country has the right to interfere in the elections. And when elections are held, this is the right of the Libyan people. When we say the outputs of Paris, we do not say the outputs imposed by Paris, but rather the outputs agreed upon by Libyan parties in Paris.

Q: Is Italy trying to impose something regarding this initiative? A: I see that the current situation with the current Government of National Accord, which has agreed to agreements without any right, means from where Al-Sarraj can sign agreements with the Italian government while he is not recognized in Parliament. He takes the constitutional oath in front of Parliament. Italy obtained things from the Government of National Accord that it should not have obtained from the agreement that was signed, including the movements of the Italian fleets on the Libyan shores, including several things, including the field hospital that turned into a military presence. These things should not have been obtained by Italy. In my opinion, it is in Italy's interest to prolong the term of the reconciliation government for another year, and therefore it may help them to support the referendum on the constitution. This draft, which extends the term of the agreement for another year, according to Article 183 (90 days + 240 days), talks about 330 days other than giving and receiving in papers. You are talking about a full year. It may be in Italy's interest to prolong this.

But I told the Italian ambassador, and I said to those I know among the notables of Italy, that this thinking is a big mistake, because you may achieve temporary interests with the Government of National Accord and lose the Libyan people. Comprehensive and general, I think it protects the rights of Libyans and is fair to both parties. We must implement the provisions of this agreement, which are not similar to what happened in the agreement signed by Mr. Al-Sarraj and the Government of National Accord.

This new agreement is broad and in fact has a great danger to Libya in terms of what happens to illegal immigrants in terms of stability in Libya and the fear of this stability, as well as many aspects, including the issue of sovereignty over the beaches and borders, and so on. Therefore, I, as a friend of Italy, of all European countries, and of all countries of the world, we We have no enemies from the countries of the world except those who try to fight us and occupy us. We want to be friends with everyone. Our advice to Italy is to let the Libyan people in their freedom, in their sovereignty, choose when they want to vote and choose the date of the elections, and also that they implement what was originally agreed upon in the 2008 Treaty of Friendship. Because in that agreement, the long-term stability of the Italian-Libyan relations.

Q: You show Italy that it clings to its interests linked to Al-Sarraj in Libya, and that is why Italy appears to be reluctant to hold these elections or to change the power in Tripoli. But what about France, aren't the interests that move the state towards any other country? A: Who believes that countries do not Following its interests and not protecting its interests would be insane. I mean, any sovereign state that protects its interests. Why do we get angry when our sovereignty is violated, because we feel that Libyan interests are harmed when huge numbers of illegal immigrants accumulate in Libya. This is a threat to Libya's interests when our territorial waters are harmed. We want our interests, and other countries want theirs.

Q: You mentioned the interests of Italy, what are the interests of France? A: All European countries now need a stable Libya. This is an interest for all European countries. Secondly, all countries have oil, military and security companies. Everyone wants new contracts with Libya. They want a future with Libya because they all suffer from Economic problems Italy suffers France suffers All European countries suffer We are in our interest as the Libyans to try to deal as much as possible with the European Union collectively so that the interests of European countries are balanced and countries such as Germany and the Netherlands can affect Italy or France or affect the Franco-Italian dispute If there are these European internal balances, we must deal with the European Union. I say the same thing to the Arab countries. Conflicts between Arab countries let us deal with the League of Arab States. It is not in our interest for Egypt and Algeria to wrestle, for example. It is in our interest to deal with Chad individually and Niger individually. It is in our interest to deal with the African Union. The singling out of any Arab, African or European country in the Libyan file is a threat to Libya. We have to balance all those countries and not lose the umbrella of the United Nations, the umbrella umbrella. Libya was We owe its independence to the United Nations. We believe that the United Nations is a beautiful umbrella that is able to accommodate these differences. Even if we want to deal with the lower level, it must be with regional institutions such as the League of Arab States, such as the African Union and the European Union. It is not in our interest to surrender our neck to any country. Arab, African or European.

Q: It is said that the Paris initiative was hasty and that the legislative, logistical and security conditions were not sufficiently prepared to hold the elections agreed upon in this initiative, and therefore this could lead to an increase in the possibility of armed groups obstructing these elections or committing acts of armed violence against supporters of the elections? Skhirat was signed on December 17, 2015. We are now in 2018, 3 years of inaction and 3 years of delay.. The Skhirat Agreement Many people believe that we should object to the agreement. Skhirat, on the contrary, the Skhirat agreement is excellent, beautiful, solid and integrated, but only the simple thing was implemented.

There is in the Skhirat agreement the dismantling of militias, disarmament, the establishment of the army, the establishment of the police, the release of prisoners from prisons, the cessation of torture, the empowerment of women and youth. To remind the international community of what it used to say and brag about in 2011 about protecting civilians, where is the international community in terms of protecting civilians now?

What I want to say is that there is a delay and one of the biggest mistakes that occurred was the appointment of Paolo Serra for the issue of security arrangements. This man enabled his country, Italy, and enabled the militias to seize the necks of the people, and he did nothing to strengthen the Libyan army or the Libyan police. This laxity lasted 3 years The French initiative is late, it is not hasty, and the issue of arguments is that there may be acts of violence, acts of violence are possible in all democracies.

When there is a fascist body, for example, or an extreme right-wing or extremist populist, as is happening in some European countries, you may find acts of violence, and we should not be afraid of acts of violence until we leave the democratic path. A regulator for this issue and that she has the strength to make decisions and the effectiveness that guarantees the country's exit from the tunnel of terrorism and violence.

Q: From where do you get this confidence to say that it is possible to create the appropriate conditions for the elections? A: We take the issue in its elements when we say that things must be ready for the elections and must come in the appropriate conditions for the elections. This loose talk must be detailed. We start from the legal point of view, and from the purely Sharia point of view of the election legislation. You have two solutions, either you take out the referendum law on the constitution and then ask for a yes or no referendum and take your course, even if it takes place after the election year. In general, it starts within a clear framework, or you say I failed to have a quorum of 120 or not. I can pass this law, so I have to go to the presidential elections according to Law No. 5 of 2014, or you say this law is not good and we want another law that we will issue now from Parliament.

I mean, the constitutional basis for the elections by September 16 is very, very possible if the intention is fulfilled and some procrastinating deputies stop procrastinating and fear God in this people and sit and analyze what they take of salaries and do not be absent and sit and tell us the final result, either a referendum or an election law, this is from a legal point of view.

We come from a security point of view. Security has not been established in Libya for 7 years, never as it is now. Derna, thank God, has been liberated. Benghazi is stable. Ajdabiya is in good condition. Or people, you call it whatever you call it, each one is responsible for his region, with the presence of Libyan observers from civil society, candidates, the League of Arab States, the African Union, the European Union, and the United Nations. You control this area of ​​the capital, or you control Batin al-Jabal, or you control the central region, or you control Sebha, or you control Kufra or the eastern region, and we oblige you to do so, and you will be subject to penalties if you do not protect the elections in the region you control. The ballot boxes will be monitored and the elections can be held. We are not in a worse situation than in 2014 when the parliamentary elections were held. Why do we say this? We have a problem. There is a security problem. Then if we say that we do not have confidence in each other in the regions, to be a joint force to protect the elections, we take from the east, west and south. All the cities of Misrata give us some forces, and the General Command gives us forces.

Q: At the Paris summit, there is a question about the level of representation because 3 figures out of 4 are mere symbols, as we follow in general 3 figures out of 4 do not have that influence and influence on the ground, so how can the results of the Paris meeting be reversed to hold elections with the acceptance of all parties? When are those elections held? A: First, two points. Protecting the referendum is no less difficult than protecting the elections. Why do we make the referendum easy and we do not make it easy to protect the elections? The second point you say is incorrect. These personalities, who gathered in their entirety, are capable, commanding, and obedient in a large area of ​​the country. The General Command is in control of the region. The entire eastern region is a real force present on the ground and in control.

As for Mr. Al-Sarraj, he is the one who placed the ranks on the shoulders of Major General Osama Gouili ​​and Major General Muhammad Al-Haddad, and he is their commander, and they are bound by obedience to him as the supreme commander in this region. It remains if the force that Muhammad Al-Haddad commands and the force that Goili commands is approved by the Paris Agreement, and if the eastern region is approved by the same The agreement, and if Mr. Aqila is the Speaker of the Parliament, in which the president’s powers are embodied according to the eighth or seventh amendment, I do not remember exactly, I mean, what is missing? .. I mean, what region does not want elections?

Q: What if the force in Misurata rejects these elections? A: Misurata participated through the President of the Presidential Council, Al-Sarraj, Misurata endorsed the Government of National Accord and did not deviate from the command of the Government of National Accord, and I know that there is communication between them and the French presidency, and Misurata did not say that this agreement does not concern us .

Q: Why did the French Foreign Minister go to them in his last tour to renew promises of commitment to the elections if they follow what Al-Sarraj committed to? A: It is a real force present on the ground. An activist from Misrata, especially from the youth. I mean, there are several supporting statements from Misrata for the elections. Yes, there is a certain voice from Misrata who recently stated that he wants to hold a referendum first, but I believe that there are large segments of Misrata, and here I cannot speak on behalf of Misrata, but we have not heard any objection from Misrata. Why create excuses or is it procrastination to give the opportunity for another year for all these bodies to spend 42 billion from the budget of a new Libya?

Q: Why do we have to believe that the French initiative is successful when we saw a similar French initiative that failed about a year ago, in which Macron brought together Haftar and al-Sarraj, and it did not lead to anything? A: First, this is a Libyan initiative in which the Libyans gathered in France and agreed on what was agreed upon in Paris are the Libyans, and this is a very important issue. Also, there is a difference between the first meeting in France and the second meeting, and that the second meeting is attended by Mr. Aguila, Speaker of the House of Representatives, who is the legitimate elected body in Libya at present. There is also a presence of the Presidency of the State Council, and the presence of these four parties, I think, was an important and distinctive step It is not enough if we fail, if we procrastinate, or if we abandon the rope, but it is sufficient if everyone insists on implementing it.

Q: Opinions like the Italian opinion that it is not possible to achieve political consensus or reconciliation on mere persons, even if it is 4 main personalities in Libya, and that the matter should be more than that? A: But Italy blessed the Paris outputs and was part of the blessing of the Council Security for the outputs of Paris, sir, was an acknowledgment by the four parties before the entire international community and with the presence of heads of state. Such an acknowledgment is not required for this signature to be accepted by people and it is binding.

Q: This initiative is a revelation from heaven? A: It is not a revelation from heaven, but it is the only initiative that gave us dates and did not leave the matter open. Our problem is the tunnel that has no end. This problem needs dates in which we need dates, my brother. It is clear that the failure of the current situation is clear. Is it possible for a people living on a lake of oil and water, 2,000 km of wonderful beaches, the most beautiful monuments of the world and all these goods to be in want and need subsidies?

Countries have become charitable to the Libyan people after the Libyan people were sending aid all over the world. How can we be satisfied with this fact? What I like about the issue of the Paris meeting is the issue of dates, and that there are specific dates, even if Parliament sits and says that there will be a referendum and that there will be elections Specific to December 2019. Give me a date. Do not leave the matter open like this, and the budgets are being spent without control. We have enough of this strange document represented in the report of the Audit Bureau. I mean, any sane person reads these words, reads what was spent on private offices, reads what was spent on wondrous matters, and reads how 600 thousand were spent on each A member of the constitution-writing committee does not investigate these matters and does not follow up on how this shameful situation really continues.

Q: There are those who think that even going to these presidential and parliamentary elections means a new transitional stage prior to the stage of permanent rule. This in itself is a drain on resources, and it is never guaranteed that the stability that you seem confident in will be achieved? A: Try to elect the president of the Libyan people, why? He has the opportunity to elect a president himself directly, never in his history. He did not elect a president, not necessarily so-and-so, but elect a president around whom the country will unite. It may be Field Marshal Haftar. It may be Saif al-Islam. It may be Aref al-Nayed. Mubasher has the right to act and the right to make decisions on the authority of the Libyan people in the Fund. We need this.

Q: Why do we settle for a new temporary transitional phase before the referendum on the constitution, the constitution that is ready despite the controversy surrounding it, but it is ready? Why is it not allowed for the Libyans to say their opinion on this project? A: And whoever prevents the Libyans from that, the parliament sits and issues the referendum law and we all go For a referendum and to approve the constitution or not to approve the constitution. My problem is with not resolute things and with leaving the rope on the west and giving these bodies an open clause forever. This is what worries me and worries many Libyans. I do not speak for the Libyans, but I know many people who are worried about this matter.

Q: In what capacity were you invited, Mr. Aref, to the Paris meeting? A: In the civilized world that respects academia, experiences, and humanitarian work in general, intellectual institutions or research institutions, academic institutions are respected, and former diplomats and former members of governments are respected. Former Libyan ministers, Libyan academics, and members of Libyan research institutions invite from all over the world and give lectures, participate and help in crystallizing some matters. I was invited in my capacity as Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies, and I was invited by the French Presidency, contrary to what some clowns say that I entered with a journalist card from Libya Channel.

Q: What is the truth about that, many said that you participated in a press card? A: I do not think that the Elysee or the protocol in the Elysee Palace allows this. In the meeting, and you can verify this from the French embassy. As for the many pages, sarcasm and sarcasm, I got used to this 7 years ago, and they are hired by the Muslim Brotherhood and the Libyan Fighting Group, and they insisted that I attend the meeting.

Q: Didn't any photos show you in the place where you present yourself and your participation in the meeting? We didn't see you sitting, listening, or observing, we saw you shaking hands, no more? A: I have many photos while I'm in the ranks. I am really surprised by the amount of sarcasm in this feeling. I have been exposed to media machines for 7 years, more than 5 Brotherhood channels. I respected my position as ambassador for a period of 5 years from 2011-2016. I did not respond to all that now. I resigned from the embassy and I am a Libyan citizen. I have the right to defend myself. And I will respond to what is coming, God willing, and I will file cases against some people who took it easy and started spreading such stupid rumors.

Q: Do you still adhere to your position on the Brotherhood and do you still consider it a fascist organization? A: This is a position I reached since the nineties of the last century. It was prior to February 17 and preceded all these stages. I wrote articles about Mr. Qutb and his mistakes in his methodology and views, and I see The fascism of the Brotherhood, this is a historical matter now. Any of the viewers can go to Google and write Hassan Al-Banna, Senior Mussolini, and see Hassan Al-Banna’s article glorifying Mussolini, and that the approach to rule by force is the approach of Islam. I see that the Brotherhood applied the fascist methodology in seizing power, just as there was the so-called March on Rome.

Q: If you are a president and you bear this attitude towards them, how will your dealings with them be? A: We must learn from the history of the Italian non-democracy that did not arise until fascism ended in Italy, so the fascist party is not allowed to participate in the Italian Nazi-German elections, also the German constitution does not allow The Nazi Party may participate in the German elections. If you intend these people as individuals, then you are welcome to welcome any Libyan as an individual. Syria, Iraq or others, I do not think that such organizations should not be allowed.

Praise be to God, the issue may be out of discussion because it is contested in the matter of parties in the first place. The Libyan judiciary has challenged the law of parties, and we will see if there is a law for parties before the next elections. We all should be available to everyone.

Enter the parent pages of the Muslim Brotherhood and see what are the conditions of the Qatari organization. It must pledge allegiance to the guide and give allegiance to the guide. When you give allegiance to someone other than the president of the country, and you give allegiance to someone other than your constitution and this constitution of your country, if it is another country, an international organization, a Brotherhood institution, or something else. It is not permissible and should not be allowed, and there is no democracy without borders. Rather, all European democracies were established after the elimination of fascism.

The Brotherhood is the types of the type that adopt the ideas of Sayyid Qutb and glorify Sayyid Qutb, and it is a widespread type in Libya and is rooted. In their ruling ideas and the thoughts of the Kharijites with whom our master Abdullah debated in the era of the Taabi’een means the same ideas. It is the core of power and what is called fascism.

Q: There are those who see that you use Sufism in political struggles? A: All my interviews are on the Internet, and my writings and books are also available on the Internet. If you find one letter in using Sufism for political purposes, then inform me of this. The matter you mention never happened, if you do not betray me The memory happened when Ali al-Sallabi tried to use some Sufis, so he brought some Sufis from Libya to Istanbul and tried to involve them in political bullying. Some Sufi gentlemen in Libya objected to that, and they thought that Aref al-Nayed had something to do with that objection. I did not write anything about this matter and did not issue it. Any statement, but everything issued by Sufism in Libya and the Association of Libyan Scholars link it to my name, as if I was the instigator of it or I was the one who issued it, and this is not true.

Q: Why were you allying with the Brotherhood and seeing you open your arms in embraces in the early days of the revolution? A: Because I believed at that time that everyone must be accepted and that everyone must be respected and all Libyans have the right of God and so on. These ideas were the result of a stab in the back since April May 2011 and the acquisition of everything in reality, and this is unfortunate. Everything that could have resulted from the February 17 revolution was aborted because of their possession of the joints of the state, which they continue to do in the Central Bank. An article was recently issued regarding it, stating by names that all The leaders of the Central Bank in the joints brotherhood.

The other thing is that they took possession of the Ministry of Interior through Undersecretary of the Ministry of Interior Khadrawi for many years, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Defense Khaled al-Sharif for many years and this acquisition is what destroyed the country, and when they lost the elections in 2014 they attacked the capital and took it and did not give the country’s parliament the opportunity to sit in its capital and they were expelled Prime Minister, which means the selective use of democracy. That is, the use of democracy to reach power, but do not hand it over to others, and reject the election results unless they are in your favor, and this is our problem with the Brotherhood, in fact.

Q: Who owns Al-Marsad newspaper? A: I do not know.. What I do know is that they are a group of young Libyans who own it, and if I owned it, I would not be ashamed of that and say it publicly, as I say that I own this channel.

Q: Is there enmity and this atmosphere of hatred between you and the Muslim Brotherhood? There are those who say that Aref al-Nayed is accused and implicated of putting Libyan businessmen in the past, specifically August 2014, and throwing them into the secret prisons of the Emirates, and that you wrote the reports against them to the Emirati authorities until you came and arrested them? How do you respond? A: Did those who made these accusations give you a copy of these reports!! The evidence is on the plaintiff, and this is pure slander and lies, and I know the source of this lie. It is a specific person from a specific family, and from the Muslim Brotherhood, one of the detainees’ brothers, and the one who used his brothers, and this lie does not have the slightest evidence. something or have the slightest evidence.

Most of the prisoners were my personal friends, and when they asked me for the full report of the Government of National Accord, they asked me for a copy of the case file, and I and the judicial attaché, Mr. Fadel from Misurata, photographed it and sent it to the Government of National Accord in the Foreign Ministry. This report was leaked and is available on the Internet, in which you can find all the documents and in it you will find my letters to the Foreign Ministry Emirati and my messages to the Libyan Foreign Ministry, and you find the request for the visit, and you find the visit report.

There is an official written protest on the Internet, there are minutes of a meeting with the families, there are receipts paid by the embassy in the prison for the benefit of the inmates, and there is a report of my visit to the prisoners. Review the file and if you see that there is any deficiency or any defect in the performance of my consular duty towards the Libyan citizens, he explained it to me and I investigated The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is in the Government of National Accord in this matter, and no criticism or objection was directed against my behavior, and it was not my work. There was only a consul and a judicial attaché, there were security officers, and there was a social attache who supported families, and all of this is present.

Even for citizens who hold other nationalities in addition to the Libyan, American, and Canadian nationalities, for example, I communicated with the ambassadors regarding them, and we used to communicate periodically and meet about them, and I did all my consular duties.

Q: On what charge did the UAE arrest them? A: This matter is written and available and you can find it on the Internet - I will not enter the UAE judiciary, verdicts have been issued to acquit them and this is what is important and they were released and I congratulated them with an official letter and I went to the homes of those who were in the UAE and visited them in their homes and said For them, I am in service. During my embassies, I did not stay with any Libyan citizen.

Because there are some brothers who want to use this file against me or want to use it against the Emirates by attacking my person as they think this is their business, but they have not been proven by any evidence, I think they worked on 30 episodes full of wild accusations and I did not respond because I was an ambassador And I respect Law No. 2 of diplomatic work, and I respect that it is obligatory not to talk except through coordination with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and with the Prime Minister in some cases.

Q: Did I take the rights of those who were acquitted of those who were arrested by the UAE authorities? A: The embassy, ​​by order of me, appointed a lawyer and followed up their files until he reached their release and followed up on their files until I resigned, and the lawyer is present and appointed by the embassy.

Q: You say that the Brotherhood attacks you, incites against you, and spreads accusations arbitrarily. On the other hand, what we have seen from the other side, you spare no effort at all in directing accusations and in criminalizing the Brotherhood, or at least their representatives in Libya, the Justice and Construction Party. We see you in every interview on Channels and press talk about the Brotherhood and condemn them. How do you expect the message to be in return while they follow your statements, the latest of which is what is narrated about attempts to criminalize them in the US Congress by the Security Committee there in an attempt to put the Brotherhood on the list of international terrorism and it was said that you are the one behind this issue because of your relationship with some members The Congress is there? A: I do not deny that I am attacking the Brotherhood, but the difference between me and them is that I am aware of my case and I have evidence of all the accusations that I level against them, and the other thing is that I see it as a patriotic duty to protect my country and I was present for the February story from the beginning and present when Libya was stabbed from behind and how They took over the scene.

And I was present when they removed Mr. Azouz from the position of the central governor of Libya so that the great friend could take over all these things. Mr. Mahmoud Jibril, and I submitted my resignations in certain files, and all of this is documented.

Therefore, I find, as I participated in that revolution and as this revolution led to these calamities that we see manifested on the human level, it is my legal and moral duty to alert this danger and try to save my country from their clutches, and this requires not only striking them in Libya, but also trying to explain their affairs In international decision-making centers in Washington, London and other places.

And yes, I paid sums to public relations companies and lawyers, and I try and follow up the files. I visited Washington more than once, and I really try to say that this organization should be criminalized, and there are several countries that have criminalized it, and I believe that Libya should criminalize this organization.

Q: Do you think that the Trump administration will be different in dealing with this file, unlike the previous administration, the administration of Barack Obama? .. Because he saw in them a moderate Islam, with which he could confront the extremist Islam represented by ISIS? A: Part of the reason for the failure of the Libyan revolution and our arrival to what we are in is this policy of Clinton and Obama, which is based on some think tanks more than 20 years ago that came out With the idea that the Brotherhood is a barrier between extremism and the civilized world, they, unfortunately, have proven to be a bridge between extremism and the civilized world. The issue of seeing the Brotherhood with this wondrous vision is that they are the ones who will protect the world from extremism, and they are the ones behind this strange complicity.

On one of the glorious gatherings of Benghazi, the youth of Benghazi went out and expelled the militias from Ansar al-Sharia and other Islamic militias from Benghazi. The next day, the heads of the Libyan ruling class stood with American blessing and said that these militias are the legitimate force of the Libyan revolution and that they should not object. It and America blessed that. Unfortunately, their ambassador was killed after it. We hope that the Trump period will lead to a reconsideration of this file, because in fact this is a scourge that led to a lot of destruction in the world, including our country, and destroyed our dreams and brought us to where we are. There is direct responsibility. To the brothers who take over the Central Bank of Libya for the suffering of the old people of Libya who are standing in the bank lines, and there is a direct responsibility for them for the phenomenon of smuggling goods and for many destructive phenomena because of the monetary policies of the Central Bank of Libya and because of the Central Bank of Libya’s acquisition even of the competencies of the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Planning.

Q: As much as you are trying to criminalize the Brotherhood with the American authorities, but on the other hand, many say that you are criminalizing them and trying to polish yourself to be the next president of Libya. His tweet to him after the meeting was promoting you and saying that you are the future of Libya, as if he indicated the possibility of your presidency of the next Libyan government, and he said that Libya needs you, but everyone knows that Steve is one of the extremist and anti-Islam members of Congress, and here we wonder with astonishment what relationship this member has with Aref al-Nayed, who introduces himself The ascetic worshiper? A: First, I do not present myself as an ascetic worshiper, and I hope to be like this. The issue of sharing your opinion with someone who has extremist opinions here or there does not mean that that point on which you agreed with him means that you agree with him in everything.

Secondly, I did not meet with him alone, but I met with a large group of congressmen with more than 45 congressmen on more than one trip. Libyan Muslims in Washington recycled it and used it against me, and this is natural. This is one of their weapons that they use daily, but the issue of my defense of Islam, praise be to God, I do not claim to be a worshiper or an ascetic, but I defended Islam in all international forums.

Q: But you ally with a political figure hostile to Islam only to break the Muslim Brotherhood? A: I did not ally with him. I presented what I wanted to say to a group of congressmen.

Q: But even these relationships are questioned by Libyans who are there in the United States, and we saw that interviews, comments, and videos were published on their pages. They downplayed the importance of these meetings that you are doing, and one of the meetings was like a morning breakfast in the lobby of a hotel. And it is not that big meeting, as the speaker says, and there are those who talk about the seminars that you used to give there and say that anyone can hold them because they are not that important? Because of their voice in Washington, they have taken over Washington for many years, and they have well-known organizations. There are published reports about these organizations and those Brotherhood personalities in Washington, as long as the matter is not important and as long as everyone can go and sit with members of Congress, they may do so. We are in the coming weeks. We will open a page in the name of Aref al-Nayed, and this page will contain a lot of documents, and I will put in it the reports of congressional visits and the names of all the congressmen we visited, and there was indeed breakfast, but it was in a club for congressmen, not a hotel, and there are visits in the congress itself, all of which are documented in reports. I am not about to prove To the Libyan Muslim Brotherhood who are in America that these visits are important. If they are important, they will produce what we would like to produce, which is criminalizing them.

Q: Aref al-Nayed is accused of attempting to incite the assassination of a number of Brotherhood figures, and here I am talking about Nizar Kawan, a member of the National Congress during that period. A video was spread by bloggers on social networks who said that it was a leaked phone call between you and one of the leaders of al-Qaqaa? A: When You say bloggers, you must list the names of bloggers and pages, you will find them all fraternal, and I was previously asked about this matter on the “BBC” channel in an important interview about it, and my answer is the one I will repeat. I do not know the reason and what I would like to say is that I respect everyone who resorts to the judiciary, and I will resort to the judiciary as well. Now, after my resignation from the embassy, ​​I have formed a legal team and will seek recourse to the judiciary. My response is that this is a lie and a sheer slander. As an agent, he and Khaled al-Sharif are now walking around Istanbul, and they have not been harmed. I am not the one who assassinates, but rather Who assassinates are the ones who assassinated 600 people in Benghazi in less than a year, and who assassinated Tripoli activists and imprisoned them, and who assassinated Muhammad Al-Maslati, Abu Bakr Al-Mazoghi, and many of my students at Osman Pasha Al-Saqizli School?..and the people who were imprisoned are the ones who imprisoned Sheikh Muhammad Al-Jaafari and many others deny and denounce this allegation, and whoever has evidence to present to the judiciary. The voice in the video is not my voice, but rather it is a fabrication and its timing. If you go back to the dates, you will find it a week before Skhirat, because they believed that Lyon would choose from among the 14 names that Parliament handed him my name, so they are repeating the same The names Now there is a whole channel with more than 13 reports against me in less than a month, and this is very normal.

Q: If you are confident that the voice is not yours, why didn't you say this at the time in the BBC interview? A: These accusations are being elaborated upon and they accuse everyone who is against the Brotherhood. All these accusations are evidence of the weakness of their argument and that they fear From any character you can respond with evidence of these polemics that they provide.

Q: What is the problem of Aref al-Nayed with the great friend, and I followed the interview he gave on one of the channels recently, and he was saying that Aref al-Nayed has his eye on the funds of the Central Bank of Libya and that this is a campaign led by al-Nayed and his channel and media platforms to attack him? A: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, rules By the apparent and not by the intentions, so what about the ordinary slave? He judged my intentions and said that my eyes are on the Central Bank of Libya. If he meant that my eyes are on the Central Bank and that I want to steal or that I want any money from the Central Bank, he has to prove that. Monetization and did you try in any way to access the funds of the Central Bank does not have the slightest evidence of that.

And if he means that my eyes are on the Central Bank, that it is the sustenance of the Libyans, and that it controls the sustenance of the Libyans through its acquisition not only of the powers of the Central Bank, but of the Ministry of Economy and Planning, and that it has become the spokesman for everything from the exchange rate except commission, imports, foreign currency, gold bullion, and all of these Under Mr. Al-Siddiq Al-Kabeer, he was expelled from the position of governor twice by the legislative body in the country. This person does not have a capacity, and there are cases filed in Tripoli in the Court of Appeal. The judge ruled that this man is not the governor of the Central Bank of Libya and does not hold this capacity.

There is a big problem with the cause of this suffering for all these people. The long queues at the banks are very long. Who is responsible for maintaining this vast difference between the official exchange rate and the black market rate, so that whoever wants to get rich or poor? Libya since the era of the pashas and the Ottoman states.

I have nothing personal against the great friend in and of himself. What I have objection to is this acquisition and this strange division that has made some individuals an organized gang that does not exceed the fingers of one hand. It acquires most of Libya's money and buys most of Tripoli and became able to buy some politicians and members of the Parliament, and I do not say all of them, but some of them and members of the State Council. This strange purchasing power must end. I demanded this publicly, and I do not apologize for that. Rather, I believe that this is a duty.

Q: Regarding the acquisition of the position, Al-Kabeer said that the change of governor must take place according to the mechanism stipulated in the political agreement signed in Skhirat, and that this agreement has not yet been included in the interim constitutional declaration? A: He was expelled from his position as governor of the Central Bank of Libya before Skhirat is expelled twice.

Q: He also said that the parliament sent him a message stating that he should take leave for a period of 3 months, and the powers during that period were assigned to his deputy, Ali al-Hibri, then they told him that after that he would return to work again, and the matter was not according to what he presented by dismissal from the parliament? A: There are rulings from the Court of Appeal in Tripoli that ruled that he has no capacity, and in his last interview he said that Aref al-Nayed should go to the Attorney General and the judiciary, and I have already started this and prepared legal notes by a team of lawyers, and I am through this window on the Libyan people everyone who has Evidence against the great friend, he contacts me, and we will present them all to the Libyan judiciary.

Q: What are your most prominent accusations today against the great friend? A: In order not to spoil the complaint, I prefer to present it in court. He challenged me to present it in court, and I will.

Q: There is a point that we always hear from the great friend that he does not deal with people until he gives them money like this, but rather he deals according to exchange authorizations through the Government of National Accord and through the Ministry of Finance? A: Let us take all the credits that were opened and all the hard currency that was given to companies and all The gold bars that were sold to companies, and to analyze who benefits from them, we will find that the lists are long and wide for different companies. We have to go to commercial records and see who these owners are, and the facts will appear clearly.

Q: On the other hand, Al-Siddiq Al-Kabeer did not express any refusal to assign an international review or monitoring committee to review the performance and accounts of the bank’s transactions? A: This did not happen until after Mr. Al-Sarraj requested that internationally, and Al-Sarraj did not do that until after the recent oil problem .

Q: But how do you explain that if the great friend had committed everything you say, would he have welcomed in this way any international committee of experts or an international investigation team that monitors and searches papers and documents for transgressions that can be revealed, as you say? A: The international investigation took place and was requested by Mr. Al-Sarraj, and now The Security Council is looking into the mechanisms and Western diplomats are meeting regarding these mechanisms and how they are implemented without prejudice to Libyan sovereignty. It is possible to use the Libyan judiciary, or it is possible to use the Libyan oversight agencies, but the investigation will take place and this will accomplish a lot.

Q: You say that you are going to file a complaint with the Attorney General about al-Siddiq al-Kabeer. Did the word al-Siddiq al-Kabeer provoke you, and it is only that that moved you to complain? The view of the queues that he sees and the size of the daily suffering of the Libyans is that he may be ashamed of himself and resign. Unfortunately, this did not happen, and he asked that we resort to the judiciary, and we will do so.

Q: What is your response to allegations against you of buying and selling banks in Libya for the benefit of the Emirates? A: Recently we started denying it, because indeed the “Goebbels Media” theory has proven its worth, that people are believed by many lies, but I challenge anyone to come up with any evidence that I have any transactions related to Selling or buying any Libyan and non-Libyan banks.

Q: Is it true that Aref al-Nayed, during his tenure as Libyan ambassador to the UAE, manipulated or acted in any way with the frozen Libyan investment funds there? A: I had nothing to do with Libyan investments anywhere. When I was an ambassador, it was my duty as an ambassador. Preserving any assets of Libya in the Emirates, the Libyan assets in the Emirates are divided into 4 sections and each of them there is a party responsible for it. This is the Libyan contribution.

There are some companies affiliated with the Libyan sovereign portfolio, and the portfolio is the one that follows these companies, and there are some things for the Central Bank of Libya, and Mr. Al-Siddiq Al-Kabir himself came to the UAE several times, even during the revolution period, Ali Al-Tarhouni came and met the central governor with all successive governments, all the finance ministers and the central governor of Libya The investment officials and even the judicial administration concerned with what Libya owns came to the Emirates and they are aware of it directly. The idea that there are huge Libyan investments or even huge Libyan funds in the Emirates and that Al-Nayed seized it and enabled the Emiratis to use it. Years later, Mr. Boushagor came out in a video that is still on the Internet. He denied that. The Libyan foreign ministries denied that. These matters are fantasies, but rather malicious propaganda. Its purpose is to challenge my financial integrity and confusion, and there is no evidence for all of this.

Q: Why did you resign from your position as ambassador to the Emirates?.. You resigned in late October 2016 and held the position since 2011 since the beginning of the revolution, and you did not reveal from that moment until today the reasons for your resignation? A: You resigned twice, not once. You resigned the first time as soon as we arrived. For the General National Congress elections, I submitted my resignation to Counselor Mustafa Abdel Jalil at that time because he was the one who originally appointed me, and I told him that I had volunteered for this period and told him that I wanted to resign, but he refused my resignation and asked me to continue my work, so I continued in the embassy until the end of 2016. The reason for my resignation, which I did not announce About him before is what was going on in terms of the movements of the Benghazi Defense Brigades and the meeting that they held in Al-Jufra and declared their allegiance to the Mufti, and then things took place and Al-Barghathi was appointed Minister of Defense and he went to Al-Jufra to stand on these and the pictures that appeared at that time, which really is the snapshot that caused my feeling of resentment and resignation is when I saw that The leaders of those battalions that attacked Cyrenaica more than once. The Defense Companies saw them with Al-Sarraj in a meeting with the military leaders, and the Circassian was present at that meeting. On the first occasion after that, Al-Sarraj came to Abu Dhabi on a visit and I told him that I could not continue because I could not represent the government of those representatives. They are celebrated in an official meeting with you. They attacked Cyrenaica several times and killed the people of Libya.

And I cannot represent such a government. I submitted my resignation and did not leave matters in the embassy in vain. Rather, I handed things over to the Consul General in Dubai because he is accredited by the host country and because he is licensed by the Libyan intelligence and because he has the capacity of the head of the mission in full, so I handed him minutes and accompanied by financial observers and took Disclaimer from this committee for my period of work at the embassy and I resigned and remained silent.

Q: But why did you not announce this reason when you are not alone in rejecting this position that took place on the part of those groups? A: I did not think that this was necessary and it was not a matter of drama, that it was a matter of raising a fuss or otherwise. I did what I could during my work period and resigned. calmly.

Q: But some say that you resigned at the behest of an Emirati because you intended to run for elections, and the Emirates have been qualifying you since that time to play a role greater than an ambassador? A: The issue is that it was at the behest of an Emirati and that I am an agent of the Emirates or a puppet of the Emiratis. From me refers to any employment or affiliation with the Emirates or others. I represented my country as best as I could during my work period, and then I left calmly and respectfully.

Q: Do you deny that you are an ally of the UAE? A: I am not an ally except for the Libyan people, but I tell you frankly that I am in all the countries that fight the Brotherhood.

The evidence for what I say and the Brotherhood's takeover of the Central Bank of Libya is clear, and there are reports about specific personalities and how they control the bank. Criminal evidence will be presented to the judiciary at the time, if it is proven to anyone that there is employment and collusion on the part of Aref with the foreigner or any kind of betrayal. The homeland should accuse me of betraying the homeland and submit it to the courts.

However, to receive accusations of workers so haphazardly, this involves reaping and great injustice. Only my conscience recommended my resignation. During that period, I was a national security advisor to Mr. Abdullah Al-Thani, the Prime Minister, and I handed over all national security files to Mr. Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, Counselor Aqila Saleh, and I left quietly.

Q: But there are those who consider this resignation at this moment as a mock resignation? That is, you publicly resigned and left the embassy, ​​but you handed it over to the Consul General at the time. In the eyes of even some of the embassy employees in the UAE, he is one of your followers, and it is your creation, and you are the one who pressured him to be appointed to the diplomatic work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and then he was brought by an urgent dispatch decision to the Emirates, and he assumed a position The Consul General, who was not an employee of the state in the first place?

A: A patent appointing the consul, like a patent appointing the ambassador, comes from the higher authorities in the country. How did you force the prime minister or foreign minister to sign!!.. I point out that there are many personalities in the Libyan embassies who were appointed during February 17, and I myself was not in the country and was not As an ambassador, I never worked in the country, but due to the momentum of the revolution that took place and the posts that took place, there were some young people who volunteered during that period, and then entered embassies and consulates because of the period that followed the revolution. This gentleman you are talking about is one of the best of the Libyan youth and he was one of the five volunteers. Those who opened the embassy with me since its inception, and his appointment is not surprising as my appointment. From the Libyan government and from the Al-Thani government, and the Government of National Accord ratified it.

How is it my creation in any sense!! He did not receive a salary from me, and I did not make it, and you say that some employees in the embassy have suggested that. You know that if a subordinate does not get what he wants from his boss, or if he wants to blackmail his boss in one way or another and refuses, he may complain like this.

Q: There are those who say that today you are repeating the same problem and trying to pressure Fayez al-Sarraj to appoint a member of the Libyan community in the UAE, a merchant who lost his trade there? A: My last contact with Mr. al-Sarraj was on Eid, to exchange greetings, a friend of mine whom I respect. Appreciation, and since I left the embassy, ​​I have not interfered in anything related to it and not to the consulate. You know that the position from which I resigned there are many people who covet it.

Q: You say that you did not receive any salary throughout your work as an ambassador to the Libyan embassy in the UAE? A: This is correct and according to the testimony of the financial controllers and the Ministry of Finance.

Q: But this is contrary to the law, which does not allow any public employee to work without receiving a salary, and we heard that an investigation has been opened in this regard? A: All the prime ministers and foreign ministers who succeeded in their positions during my embassy did not object, and no investigation was opened in the matter of the various foreign affairs over the years. In which I worked, I sent several investigation teams and formed several inspection teams hoping that they would find something against me, but they did not find it. We close all our financial files every year at the end of the year and submit them to the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They are kept in the archives. We welcomed all the investigation committees and gave them offices inside the embassy. They inspected and wrote their reports. I did not receive any objection or reprimand.

Q: You did not object to the Government of National Accord taking over the Libyan embassy in the UAE? A: I received Al-Sarraj several times, and I received His Excellency Minister Sayala several times, and we supported the Government of National Accord, and the UAE recognized the Government of National Accord, and accordingly, I did not limit the Government of National Accord with anything.

Q: But it is mentioned that the consul was intransigent and did not accept handing over the seals to the chargé d'affaires who was assigned to run the embassy, ​​and it was said that pressure was exerted while you were in the background to deport the chargé d'affaires and keep the consul? Anything proven against me in any financial or administrative aspect, I bear the responsibility. I resigned from the embassy and returned to my personal affairs to find them scattered. To interfere in what happened after me. As for what the Consul General did, he is asking about what is my relationship with him.

Q: During your work as ambassador to the UAE, did you appoint a national security advisor to Prime Minister Abdullah Al-Thani? Were you an ambassador at the time, or a security and intelligence man in the Emirates? A: The distinction is between an ambassador and a security and intelligence man. I think that most of the world's ambassadors protect the interests of their country, including security files. The security men who are in any embassy in any country report to the ambassador, as he has a kind of guardianship and supervision. He is responsible for the security attachés, and he has the authority to supervise the military, social, labor, and other attaches, and according to Law No. 2 of diplomatic work, the ambassador represents the state in all its legislative, executive, and judicial aspects.

The Prime Minister asked me to do this work as his personal advisor on the national security side, and he assigned me tasks in national security with the knowledge of Mr. Counselor Aguila Saleh, Speaker of Parliament, and I performed my duties as best I could, and I carried out the tasks and delivered all my reports to the Prime Minister and to Mr. Aguila Saleh in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the Army. I did my duty towards the Libyan people in the fullest way, and I did my duty towards the Libyan Ministry of Interior and the Libyan police in the best way, and I communicated with several countries in military and security files. But all these details I cannot tell you anything about because they are confidential and because they affect Libyan national security and they were all handed over to Mr. Aqila Saleh on his visit to Abu Dhabi and I sat with him and handed him point by point and everything that happened during the period of assuming this position.

Q: What is your position on foreign interventions in Libya from all levels and countries? A: We have unfortunately become in the wind, and what we called a revolution should have been for the emancipation of the Libyan people, but it was used as an international conspiracy against Libya, and the Libyan state was destroyed, unfortunately, and we became conflicted with winds and states. Libya will not have a list in this way, and it must gather itself and heal its wounds, and there should be national reconciliation, and we unite all efforts, and we do not allow any Arab, African, European, or any country to interfere in our affairs.

And our dealings with the international community must be through the United Nations and through inclusive regional institutions such as the League of Arab States, the African Union and the European Union, and we must balance between all these countries because Libya will not emerge from this tunnel except by balancing all this greedy power in it, and it will not be possible to overcome This intervention is from all sides except through Libyan efforts. There are many greeds in Libya and these greeds are conflicting in Libya, and all Libyans must realize that we are threatened in our existence and our existence, if we do not reconcile and look forward and unless we get out of this dark tunnel and the Libyan people choose new leaders by directly electing them Unless the Libyan army and police unite and dismantle the illegal armed groups, we are in imminent demographic danger through illegal immigration, the issue of smuggling and the depletion of our money through smuggling. The issue of poverty, which has become sweeping away even the middle class in Libya, has almost been destroyed. Libyan, but rather regional, rooted in our country. All this we will not overcome except through national reconciliation, and that we tolerate and overlook the past, and that we go forward, and that we do not show mercy and cover up terrorism, even if it is among our relatives and people, because terrorism has no tribe, no people, no state, and no country for it.

Q: What are the countries that Arif says to most about Libya? A: I think we are in a new phase now in Libya and that the war has ended in all of Libya. The battles have ended in Derna, Benghazi, the central region, the south and Tripoli. I think now and instead To look, file accusations, and mention specific countries. I know what countries I will mention in this regard, but I will not mention any country. We have to look ahead. Ghassan Salameh, the UN envoy to the United Nations, we work with him according to his plan, which still consists of several elements, and the issue of negotiating the amendments is over. And the subject of the inclusive conference is almost finished with its sessions, and its reports are supposed to be submitted now, and the results of what the Libyans want are clear and evident, and the issue of the elections, which he said in his last briefing that before the end of this year. We must use the United Nations and ask it and the Security Council specifically not to Any country is allowed to monopolize the file of the Libyan state, neither France nor Italy nor any other Arab and African country.

Q: What is the truth about the Qatari interventions in Libya? A: Qatar intervened in Libya since 2011, and we believed that the intervention was positive, and I was one of those who worked in this intervention and helped with the supply files from Doha, and this is not hidden from anyone, as well as from other countries, now unfortunately Allowing that intervention at that time was a catastrophe for Libya and led to the destruction we are in. Qatar, unfortunately, financed terrorism and supported it with weapons, money and empowerment in the joints of the state and protected it from the beginnings and unfortunately it continued and will continue until the last attack on the oil ports in which there is Qatari interference, so it must Qatar must stop this interference, and Turkey must stand up to its empowerment of the Brotherhood and combatant groups from the operations rooms in Istanbul and all these channels that are trying to destroy the country.

Q: This is a very serious accusation. It says that Qatar had a hand in the recent attack on the oil ports. Can you prove that? A: Yes, and the investigations are continuing, and I am not the concerned party that will provide this evidence. the concerned party.

Commenting on a clip that was filmed with Mr. Al-Aref in a previous interview with Nabil Al-Haj on Libya Al-Ahrar TV, in which Aref Al-Nayed talks about the reality of Qatari interventions in Libya, and it was deleted.

Q: What was your position on the cropping of this part in an interview we conducted with you in a previous interview on Libya Al-Ahrar TV? And did you try to communicate with the administration of a channel to inquire or protest against the interview, which was more like documenting history? A: When you agreed to this interview for Libya Al-Ahrar, who was in Doha at that time before moving to Istanbul, and accepted an interview with you, and you were a broadcaster on Al-Ahrar channel at that time, I accepted to document History, which I felt would be lost over the course of 5 episodes, and we documented many things. If I were to ask about it now, I would have forgotten most of it, because as a historical witness, I think it was important at its time. Unfortunately, the clips in which I was exposed to Qatar or what bothered me in some Qatari positions were cut and removed in that interview.

I used to have my own photographer and take another picture of the interview for fear of such actions, but what happened happened and I considered at that time what was fully discussed, and the channel gave 5 episodes of that historical narration that were good in their entirety, and I did not object or inquire.

The full historical testimony of my archive is available, and by the way, I documented full interviews for most of the members of my stabilization team to document that period.

Q: Are there other passages from that interview that were cut off that you would like to mention now? A: There is no need. The time may come to present the interview in its entirety without interruption. I think there are historical occasions about the history of that era, but we must move forward.

Q: In your opinion, if this part was presented and every part was deleted from the interview during that period, would it have an effect, in your opinion, to open the eyes of the Libyans to the Qatari interventions and the interventions of any other country early? A: I think that historical circumstances sometimes cover warnings and warnings. I remember that I warned In April 2011, in a well-known session in Benghazi, with eyewitnesses still alive, I warned Mustafa Abdel Jalil against handing matters over to such people, and I resigned from the Capital Affairs team in an official letter stating reasons, but the historical momentum at that time did not allow some warning voices to be heard. Even in my interview in October 2011 In Al-Arabiya, I warned of what will happen because the social fabric is based on considering that some are defeated and others are victorious, and I warned against warning some Libyans by calling them some descriptions, but unfortunately, the events were taking place in a specific way. On Warshafana and Gharghour, the beach massacre, and all these matters, I think, have become clear.

Q: Speaking of Qatar, the UAE is not exempt from accusations in Libya. It is said that the UAE launched a targeted air strike in the suburbs of Tripoli in the past years. It is also mentioned that the UAE has a UAE base in the city of Al-Marj, with helicopters and drones carrying out military missions in Libya, your comment about the Emirati intervention? A: The accusation says specifically that it was an Egyptian-Emirati raid, not an Emirati one. There was a junior employee in the US State Department who mentioned this accusation. On the second day, the White House and the US State Department withdrew that statement, and at the time the UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs denied that and the Foreign Minister Al-Masry denied this and a delegation from Misurata went several years ago for the purpose of verifying this issue, and I remember that he went and discussed with the Emiratis regarding the accusations and other files. Confirming that they are UAE-Egyptian raids and other than that. I think that nothing has been issued so far indicating that they are Emirati.

Q: What is the truth about the existence of such an Emirati base that is reported about at Al-Khadim airport near Al-Marj? A: The Libyan army and air force have many bases. During the seven years that even the prestigious foreign press is not necessarily truthful in what it claims, so I ask the leadership of the Libyan army and I would like to confirm that no Emirati went to Libya except with a visa and no materials were issued from the Emirates to me with official documents and procedures. I am in contact with the International Sanctions Committee and I wrote a report on some pistols The silencer was stopped, and its papers are in the reports of this committee. The embassy cooperated with the Sanctions Committee, and we have every chest with our knowledge documented, and I have no knowledge of any Emirati base or planes. If you check what is on the Internet, you will find it in Al-Manara Al-Media portal and Middle East Eye, and all of them belong to certain groups, according to my knowledge. There are no Emirati bases and you have to ask the Libyan army and you may have the opportunity to ask about that.

Q: What about the French intervention in the eastern region? Do you condemn it? A: Foreign interventions are of two types. Any foreign intervention without an official request from the legislative or executive body in Libya is considered blatant interference in violation of international laws and regulations, and it must be denounced and resisted with all kinds of moral and material resistance. There are types of military assistance, for example, AFRICOM bombed ISIS in Sirte And our people in Misrata lost 700 young martyrs in the fight against ISIS in Sirte, and the Syrian support was American and at the request of the Government of National Accord. In the fight against terrorism or from any other country, this is the matter of the request that occurred in the bombing of ISIS in Sirte, and from time to time there is bombing of ISIS in the south at the request of the Government of National Accord. What I mean is that you cannot say that any foreign military action in Libya is contrary to morals and norms. It is forbidden and so on. You must consider whether it is an official request or an official memorandum or not, and the French whom I mentioned did the Libyan army request through its government and parliament, so did the Speaker of Parliament, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces request this aid? I cannot be certain that you should ask the Speaker of Parliament and the government the interim government and the reconciliation government.

Q: Did you ask any of the authorities in Tripoli, what if they officially asked Qatar to intervene? A: Everyone denies that no one said that he summoned Qatar.

Q: The subject of the Libya channel, whose soul is the homeland, where do you give us these salaries from? A: I give you your salary from free money, and if you have doubts about that and think that I am what Zaqqum receives, you have to resign and this money is confiscated. I inherited from my father, Ali Ahmed al-Nayed, 12.50% of the estate I inherited it and worked in the private sector since 1998-2011 in Libya and after that outside the country and I did not work in Libya and the money that I spent accumulated from my work over those years. I have companies and agencies for “IBM” and an agency for “MCR” and for “AB” CD Electric” and more than 99 agencies from it, and some extracts from major projects were invested for several years, all of which I recognized in the financial disclosure declaration when I became an ambassador and it is preserved in the archives of the embassy and preserved in the Foreign Ministry and is available to any official body that wants to look into this matter. I do not spend on this channel only. I have spent on Al-Ahly Club and the Libya Institute for Studies, and I am still spending on it, and Kalam for Research and Media. All these accounts are written down and audited by official auditors for all my companies and institutions. All this package of papers is available to the first Libyan supervisory authority, including any supervisory authority that would like to verify funding sources in the upcoming elections. Provided that this is imposed on everyone, whoever was a prisoner in Abu Salim and then became the owner of airlines and owns a channel bigger than mine, 3 times bigger than mine, and studios larger than this studio. And he employs employees in Istanbul. Everyone who wants to run for elections must show his sources of livelihood. I am ready to show all my sources of livelihood.

Q: I mean, there is not a single penny in this channel that has an Emirati smell? A: I did not waste any money from the Emirates, nor money from the Libyan state, nor money from other parties except my own money, and sometimes we get some advertisements, and some of them came in Ramadan very little and I Egypt insists on spending on this channel because it is the right of the Libyan people to have alternatives to advice and news, and Libya is a panorama of brotherly and militant channels day and night spreading propaganda. They lost us, one, two, or three channels in a patriotic direction. Spend 3, 4, or 5 years on it when it is stable and Libya flourishes and settles down, and Libya will be the best country in the region if we make up our minds and elect Libyan leaders by direct vote, and Libya has an opportunity to be the best country. In this case, this channel will have revenue from advertisements, and I may sell it in a moment The moments and all these accusations, if you believe them, you have to resign, and if you do not believe them, I assure you of it and reassure you. If you want to see my papers, I will give them to you and I will not give them to the public or to any committee unless it is implemented on all candidates and on all channels.

Q: You are the only one who created the channels from your free money? A: Whoever works in the computer and communications market knows about the size of my work and my companies, and I revealed the size of his wealth to the state in a statement within the finances. It is not my duty and you do not have the right to ask me about that and get these marks With my efforts and the efforts of my partner, who is an ordinary person who has nothing to do with a system or anything else, we trained more than 200 Libyan youth, and they obtained certificates from companies and trained in Canada and Spain, and this led to everyone who wants to buy “IBM” buying from us because we have maintenance centers. We must The source asks about the reports that talk about the source of financing the channels, and it turns out that Markaz was bargaining with Al-Nabaa channel over certain numbers. When you say a report, mention the source for me, and I hope that everyone sticks to the source of their funding. The biggest catastrophe that will happen in the upcoming elections is the money. Approval from the Central Bank of Libya since the last project in 2008, and there is no credit, and there are those who take credit every month and two months, and there are those who take credits and sit on one billion, one billion and a half and four. How will we confront them in the elections? Financial accounting is in my interest, and I am ready for you to impose that on all candidates and other channels. .

Q: Are you ready to have a dialogue with you on another channel, even if it is a Brotherhood channel? A: I welcome any Libyan channel that wants to conduct a direct dialogue with me, so please contact us. Any Libyan channel that wants to ask any questions, please do so. .

Q: What is the relationship between Aref al-Nayed and Khalifa Haftar? And Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, who is the Commander-in-Chief of the Libyan Army under the command of this Parliament, and this is a very important matter. I served the Libyan Army, which is led by Parliament, at the request of Parliament and at the request of the Prime Minister. Anything about him was handed over in the files at the time.

Q: Did I do much for the Libyan army? A: If I compare myself with the martyrs, the wounded, the bereaved, and the orphans, I did not do that. What I can be certain of is that I supported the army from the beginning, because I supported the parliament from the beginning. I did not support people, but rather I supported the parliamentary institution that represents the people because it is the body. elected by the Libyan people.

Q: What is your relationship with Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar? A: I have all respect and appreciation for him because he was a man who stood up at a time when many failed, and the assassinations in Benghazi every day were horrific scenes, and I remember that video clip of the car that some were chasing until it stopped and then they finished off those In it, I remember the pictures of the whole families that were assassinated along with the father of the family, and I remember the old man who was cut off as the Shah was cut off at the butcher, and I remember the heads with which the ball was played, including the head of the father of the martyr Nayli, which came in a nylon bag.

I remember all of these matters and this position that the man took, a position that respects just as it respects the position of Major General Wanis Bukhamada and Al-Zahawi, and the position of many leaders of this army and Major General Abdel Salam Al-Hassi. Libya from Misurata who fought ISIS in Sirte and I respect the youth of Tripoli in deterrence who are now in their prisons more than 2500 ISIS.

Q: What is Aref al-Nayed's comment on the assassinations that took place after the liberation of Benghazi from terrorists and took place under the control of the army and Haftar? A: The assassinations took place in Paris, Berlin and Manchester, and terrorism has no religion or state, and no one can say that I am safe from terrorism, and this is a constant danger A cancer spreading all over the world that must be eradicated, and this is not a defect in the army, which must take measures to be able to deter, as much as possible, those who dismantle mines and explosive devices in Benghazi and Tripoli. in Benghazi and those who gave their lives in Derna and other places.

Q: Why do you always portray Aref al-Nayed's relationship with Khalifa Haftar as tense? And there are members of the Libyan army who think that this channel is fighting the person of Khalifa Haftar? A: This channel accompanied the army on all its fronts, and we have videos that prove that, and this channel supported the Libyan army, not for any specific person, but because it is a legitimate institution under the command of Parliament, and we did this and there Some people believe that respecting or supporting a person requires personal glorification or applause, and we have not and will not do this to anyone, and this is not a lack of support for the army. Not with him, and we support real support for the army so that it respects the leadership of the army and respects the person of Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, but we respect them all because they are the legitimate army under the legitimate parliament of Libya.

Q: Do you think that the army can continue without the presence of Khalifa Haftar, for any reason? And there are those who portray the army in Haftar? A: This is unfair to his honorable person and to the officers of the Libyan army, and they are not puppets in fact, as proven by the Cairo meetings and the previous meetings inside the Libyan interior that began in Al-Asabaa with Brigadier General Salem Juha and his colleagues, and these meetings led to the Libyan army as an institution taking shape It regroups with its structures, hierarchies, and seniority, and I am certain that the Libyan army is bigger than any specific figure and can stand on its own two feet. We respect the role played by Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, and we respect all the Libyan military personalities who fought and are fighting terrorism and unite with the rest of the Libyan leadership in a unified army.

Q: How do you explain the confusion that occurred in the military institution just because Haftar was absent from the scene for a few days, and the coverage on open channels started saying that Haftar died of an illness, and we did not find strong reactions from the military institution until it appeared that this talk was false or even Is this statement true or may happen in the future that the institution is continuing with any person? A: The confusion that occurred is artificial. The channels of counseling, Al-Nabaa, Al-Raed, Panorama, Al-Manara pages, and all the terrifying media machine and Al-Jazeera of the Brotherhood exaggerated the matter and the confusion, and what I want to ask is whether there was any defect in the The military leadership, in military operations, or even in the military organization, or the relationship of the Chief of Staff with the Supreme Commander at that time, or the relationship of the Chief of Staff with the Operations Department or with the commander of military operations, Mr. They received a popular and military reception, and they held a military parade in response to this nonsense and all these lies, and the Libyan army is coherent, and whoever denies this, and whoever sees these military reviews, the military arrangement, and the successful leadership of military operations in the eastern region, the center, and the south, and denies that we have a military institution that we are proud of, this is in fact a great ingratitude. Comment. Al-Nayed called for the withdrawal of a number of members of the Presidential Council

Q: What is your comment on the withdrawal of a number of members of the Presidential Council, the last of which was Fathi al-Majbri in a dialogue session that was broadcast on air, and then a clip was leaked before the conference or the dialogue session, accusing our channel of being the one who leaked the topic? A: Our channel has nothing to do with that leak and our channel. That symposium was not covered live, but we quoted excerpts from it in the news, and I mentioned that to everyone who accused the channel to those who contacted me, and we have nothing to do with that leak.

Q: Did you receive accusations from the members of the circle? A: They are people with whom we have friendship and respect, and we told them we have no relationship, and the whole crisis passed.

Q: How can Aref al-Nayed solve the country's problems? A: I have a vision for Ihya Libya published on the Internet on Ihya Libya.com, everyone can view it and communicate with us, and it is a vision that emerged from the work of a large team sponsored by the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies, and it is a vision that can be developed Modernization, and we welcome all suggestions by Libyan young men and women to enrich the vision. We have a plan for what we see as one of the most important tasks and priorities for any future government. We believe that the country needs radical reforms, starting from the central bank to monetary policies, fuel subsidies, education and medicine. We have solutions to all these problems because we work collectively and in a manner Work teams. We have a banking, economic, health and educational work team. We will hold a press conference soon and we will explain it sector by sector how we will solve the country's problems. The secret that we will succeed in solving these problems is that we do not succeed in the mentality of the single individual who can solve all these problems. The methodologies of the so-called project management, and we have what we offer to the people, and we are not the only ones. There will be many who will put forward visions, and we welcome those who will run. I hope that you will not leave me alone and run. You who want the presidency of Libya and entering Parliament announce your candidacy and adherence to the date of the elections, because this enriches the matter and makes the elections a fait accompli. An investigator instead of those stalling in power now, and Libya needs men and positions.

Q: What is the plan to revive Libya in terms of adjusting the exchange rate and monetary policies? A: First, the price of the dinar must be commensurate with the oil Libya produces, because our economy is in fact oil, and in dollars we do not have current products. In our plan is to expand economic activities and try to promote other sectors, and now Only oil. It is unreasonable at a time when larger quantities are pumped at better prices that the dollar’s ​​situation be worse. There must be a ratio between what is pumped of oil and the monetary mass in the country in its paper and book currencies, and the exchange rate must be adjusted, but I think it should be gradual. And in a way closer to what the Central Bank did during the era of the previous regime. There are men who worked in the ministries and the Central Bank for many years, 42 years. Unfortunately, the political isolation law kept them away, and they are the choice of the men of Libya, and they can offer a lot in the financial and economic aspects. And we won there some ministers, like Abdul Mawla Langi. We must benefit from every Libyan who has presented something positive to Libya over the ages, and they are more patriotic than the pretenders who isolated them.

Q: What is your vision on the issue of militias and armed groups? How do you think about attracting and merging groups and getting rid of this problem? A: The problem is that everyone who negotiated with these groups and negotiated with them, or even dealt with the heads of these groups, unfortunately, many of them exploit the youth and their needs, and the next government must address every Libyan youth who joined these groups, as opportunities were blocked in Face and did not give any opportunities for work and marriage to settle down to be happy and was not given any entertainment or sports facilities, and I will address every member of these groups and give him something hope and a better future.

Q: Do you want to buy it? A: I do not want to buy it. Rather, they are the ones who buy it. They have made the youth of Libya mercenaries and slaves to guns, killing and violence, and we must, before we ask these youths before they put down their weapons, to offer them an alternative. What is the alternative and the work that we do? You give him and the courses that you will offer him and what is the comfortable, free, beautiful and happy life that you will offer him?

Q: The Minister of the Interior of Ali Zaidan's government, Mr. Ashour Shaweel, succeeded in developing alternative plans and succeeded in integrating a number of armed groups into institutions? A: When you say merging Libyan youth into the armed forces, the police, is the fate of the Libyan youth to carry a gun or pistol? Why not? A computer engineer, and why not offer him to become a doctor, mechanic, small business owner, contractor, or gym owner? Why should we offer him the police and the army?

Q: They were the ones who wanted that? A: I do not underestimate the importance of the police and the army, and I salute every Libyan who takes up arms in order to defend Libya, whether as a country or a city, or stays up at night so that this citizen sleeps on the eye and the head, but the Libyan youth did not offer him any alternatives Even when there was the idea of ​​collecting data on the revolutionaries and that they would be given scholarships and courses, unfortunately, the matter was limited to a small number. When you do not give the young man any alternative, i.e. income or a decent life, and there is no way to marry, to settle down, or to be happy, what do you expect from him?

Q: What is al-Nayed's view of those who cling to their weapons and refuse to integrate and surrender to others? A: In the event that the military institution is united from east to west to south, even if the security directorates in all of Libya are united, just as the municipalities were unified in their recent meetings, and I am optimistic about the meetings of the army in Egypt, which reached the session Sixth, and I am well informed about the sessions of the security directorates, especially the municipalities. I think it is possible for there to be a force majeure, a fact that brings together all Libyans, not tribal, nor a specific city or region, but rather for Libya and for the protection and happiness of the Libyans.

Q: You were president of Al-Ahly Club Benghazi, and the club did not win any championships under your presidency, and then you resigned? If you cannot manage a club, how can we trust that you run a country? A: This question is full of fallacies when members of the General Assembly came to the UAE for the first time and asked me to be an ambassador for the club because my father was the president of a club for several times and they saw the good in bringing a person far from the tensions Which was happening in the club during that period and I told them that I am an ambassador and that I cannot go to Benghazi by virtue of my work and the ambassador’s move is with permission and a letter and I cannot go to Benghazi during that period I did what I could and we formed a board of directors from the choice of Benghazi men from all the tribes and regions of the city and this The distinguished council with an outstanding deputy was able to run the club to the fullest extent on the ground, and I supported the club with whatever I could of financial freedom. We set up camps in Egypt, Tunisia and Jordan, and we accomplished a championship in basketball. To use this as a weapon against me and not to deny that we won historic victories against Al-Ahly of Egypt back and forth in the African Championship, and this was a great achievement and for Esperance de Tunis. 2000. When they received it, it was a pile of rubbish, so we rebuilt it, its splendor and its playgrounds, and we returned the slogan to the field in the center of the club, and now in Benghazi they are the favorite council in the evening for the elders of Benghazi, for the children of Benghazi elders. I resigned and took the time to rearrange my affairs, my companies, and my family affairs, and I will return to live in Benghazi very soon in In the coming weeks, I will visit the Al-Ahly club in Benghazi, the club of the founders, including my father, may God have mercy on him.

Q: It is said that Al-Nayed headed the Al-Ahly club to expand his popular base and his electoral campaign, which he sets in mind? A: This is a judgment on intentions and I give you evidence to the contrary. In September 2015, Parliament sent a list of 14 names, perhaps Leon would choose from among them a president and vice-president of the council When I was asked to indicate which region I would run for, I asked to run for Tripoli because I live in Tripoli 1964 and own a house there so that it would not be said that I used the Al-Ahly club politically and ran for Tripoli intentionally so that it would not be said that I used the Al-Ahly club politically, as I resigned from the club because I think I have accomplished The most important achievement that I want to accomplish is the return of the Grandparents Club. My colleagues and I calmly accepted it, paid all the debts, and handed the club free of debt in all respects. If I wanted to use the club politically, I would have stayed in it and used it to communicate with them politically, but I did not communicate with the club and did not try in any way. Using the club because I do not believe in the politicization of sports, which is like the social fabric and is a uniting factor for people. We should not separate them with politics.

Q: What are your plans for the reconstruction of Libya? A: The strange thing is that there are portfolios full of money and outside the budget that do not build anything, such as development funds and banks that have a lot of money that they cannot invest. The reason for not investing must be addressed, including what is related to the record Real estate and the instability of real estate ownership, including those related to guarantees and mechanisms. In my opinion, if these Libyan funds were invested inside and outside Libya in our long and short-term portfolios that we invest in other countries, if we invested them in our country, Libya would have been able to rebuild itself by itself. Because you cannot ask People should invest in your country if you do not invest in your country at all, and we have enough money to invest, and investment should not be limited to those who sit on 3 or 4 billion. We must create a new middle class and invest in our airports, ports and roads, and that all of Libya be a free zone and that We benefit from the transit trade. These airports, ports and roads can do trade between us and between neighboring countries and African countries, so that Libya, as it was historically, has benefited greatly from the transit trade. Banks come to enter with companies and governors in investments to rebuild the heart of Benghazi and all the destroyed Libyan cities such as Sirte, Misrata, Tawergha, Rishfana, Sebha and Bani Walid, all of which need reconstruction. We want to invest in ourselves and we believe in the ability of Al-Bari to revive us again. And its people and its people.

Q: What are your plans for national reconciliation? A: Reconciliation is not something that we will do. The Libya Institute for National Studies participated in more than 50 reconciliation sessions in the south, west and Batin al-Jabal, and we will participate in reconciliation. I firmly believe that if we do not reconcile, we will not build anything. Rwanda is an example. Those who killed some of them until the death toll reached more than 800,000, but now it is prosperous and the best country in Africa. Which party this son died does not matter and what matters is respect for the humanity of the Libyan people and the meeting around this humanity that Libya should be humanity, mercy, kindness and love among us, and so we build Libya without reconciliation there will be no building.

Q: What about the religious institution and the subject of religious discourse to soften the hearts and chests among Libyans? How do you comment on the religious performance represented by the Dar al-Ifta or the endowment department located in the east of the country in this midst? A: I advise that we not turn the branches into assets because there are differences There are many sub-sections between the different schools that we should not focus on, but rather we should refer to the principles that unite us and not turn the presumptive matter into certainties, and there are many opinions that we must not turn into certainties so that we make each other infidels on the basis of them. To each other, may God’s peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you. This Islam is the Islam of mercy and blessing, and Islam embodied in “In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Compassionate.” It did not say “The Omnipotent, the Just, or the Giver of Life and the Dead.” He said, “The Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.” So if the core of Islam is mercy, and we make it universal, the Muhammadan mercy, and the crucible that brings us together as a homeland, then All the schools of thought that exist in Libya from the Ibadites, Malikis and Salafists will unite on the goodness and building of Libya. If we want to have mercy, then let him have mercy on one another.

Q: What is your position and evaluation of the religious speech of the head of Dar Al Iftaa in Tripoli? A: I do not think that Libyans need Aref Al Nayed's opinion on the Mufti.

Q: How can he deal with him as President Aref al-Nayed? A: The problem with Dar al-Ifta is exclusivity and exclusivity. This mufti is isolated from parliament, but the problem was originally that I was part of the Libya League that presented a project for Dar al-Ifta early on for the National Transitional Council left aside. He took the draft that was presented by Al-Sadiq Al-Ghariani, and we suggested that the fatwa council be collective, not singular to a particular school, in which there would be Maliki, Salafi, and Ibadi, and it would have some psychologists and some women leaders to preserve women’s rights, so that by that, a council supervising the issue of fatwa. Al-Sadiq Al-Gharyani or others, this has a great spoiler.

Q: Are you still a member of the Association of Libyan Scholars? A: Yes, I am one of its founders.

Q: Why do we feel that the League of Libyan Scholars has a lesser role than the voice of Al-Sadiq Al-Gharyani in Tripoli? A: Because it does not have a broadcast or a channel like counseling, and no budgets are spent on it, and I do not spend on it for one reason, so that it is not said that I am buying sheikhs or trying to build Religious connection through sheikhs and religion is higher and higher than placing such suspicions in it, and I did not spend a single dirham on the association.

Q: Omar Mouloud has interventions on the Al-Tanasuh channel and he presents as president of the Association and a member of Dar Al-Ifta in Tripoli, especially since Mouloud has interventions that object to statements issued by the Association of Libyan Scholars? The fatwa and mufti, Sadiq al-Ghariani, and Sheikh Mouloud influenced the continuation of this line, and the majority in the association preferred to move away from this. When one of the sheikhs was imprisoned, they announced that he was the new president of the League of Libyan Scholars. It has a different sheikhdom and has different stances.

Q: Who are with Omar Mouloud among the sheikhs in the League of Libyan Scholars? A: I do not want to name them, and some of them are linked to Dar al-Ifta in the capital, Tripoli, but most of the scholars are even in Tripoli and other cities, and in the interest of the lives of many sheikhs, the League chose not to disclose a lot of Sheikhs because this exposes them to killing, displacement, torture and imprisonment. Unfortunately, this is one of the biggest calamities in this difficult period.

Q: What is your position on the Salafist groups in Libya? A: Salafism is a branch of the Hanbali school of thought, one of the four schools of thought, and the dispute between the Hanbalis and the Ash’aris. To doctrinal differences and not to convert presumptive matters into matters of certainty, and there will be peace and patience.

Q: Are there clashes between your religious line and the Salafists? The voices of the Salafis say that you are my graves calling for the revival of doctrinal studies related to the love of the shrines and seeking blessing from the saints, as you said in a lecture that whoever does not believe in the dignity of Abd al-Salam al-Asmar and believes in them is outside the religion? For some videos…. This is wrong and no sane person says that. I am from the people of the Sunnah and the community. I am on the creed of the Ash’ari gentlemen. The owners of the branches are the doctrine of Libya. Sufism according to the way of al-Junaidi al-Baghdadi, which is the origin of all Sufism in Libya. He rejects the legacy and history of Libya. This does not mean that I reject Salafism, nor does it mean that I do not believe in its right to teach, learn, and preach what it preaches. As the terrifying sects coexisted in the Islamic world, so that we coexist with each other, why is there not a partnership between the Malikis, Salafists, and Ibadis in a country based on the foundations that There is no dispute about it. Why do we focus on the issue of pleading, seeking help, and visiting graves? Why do we not focus on the sanctity of human life? From any other country, and this is what we accept for ourselves, and I am ready to coexist with all sects. I am talking to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus, and I am talking to a Libyan who is on another school, and I welcome any dialogue with the Salafi gentlemen at any time.

Q: Are you from the category of Sufis who believe in the story of Al-Bandir Al-Samawi, who descended on Abd al-Salam al-Asmar? A: Libya was not a dependent in Sufism or a bastard in Sufism. Sufism is sincerity of orientation, and whoever has a share in sincerity of orientation has a share in Sufism, as well as the book “Muhammad bin Ali Al-Kharoubi” which says, O son of Adam, your times are your parts.

Q: What is the truth about what was mentioned in the book of Abd al-Salam al-Asmar in his book “The Great Will” that whoever does not get along with al-Asmar has a hardening of his heart and has a Jewish tendency? From such sayings and the reduction of Sufism in some strange appearances, I wrote and I have published articles, and Sufism does not deviate from the Qur’an and the Sunnah, and what deviates from the Qur’an and Sunnah is not Sufism.

Q: What is the destination of the candidate and the president, Nayed, who is a supporter of the former regime? A: There is no harm in Saif al-Islam being the president of Libya. Rather, we seek the help of all competent Libyan leaders in all fields, and they are Libyans, and we accept his participation as long as there is no criminal judgment against him, and this is true for everyone, Ali. And on others.

Q: Have you earned their love? A: It is not a question of love. I propose my vision, and this work team that is with me wants to be with us and walk with us on the same path. Our vision is clear and is not a question of love. The curtain closes and you put the paper in the box on December, the end of the year 2018.

Q: In a previous dialogue, you were talking about Gaddafi's injustice, which you describe as a tyrant and tyranny, and you described the 17th of February as a revolution, and the revolutionaries as shaws?? Today, 4 years after the interview, do you still use the same descriptions about the previous regime and the revolution? A: I summarize it for you in the following proverb: “Blood covers the defect” and after the disasters that occurred, the disasters, the blood that was spilled, the limbs that were severed, the torments that people suffered in prisons, these economic disasters, humiliation and fragmentation To the Libyans, the division and the strife of other countries on the outskirts of Libya and its lands, the entry of foreigners into our country, and the entry of mercenary groups in its south, east and west, because “I am ashamed to use such terms, and I apologize for my use of all the terms that classify, govern, and so on. History will judge everything that happened and will judge the era of the 42nd A year in addition to the seven and eight years, the judgments of history will be harsh on us in 7 or 8 years, so I will not put myself as a ruler over all of that, and he was not tyrannical or was not tyrannical. Let us look at the elderly in front of the banks, the orphans and the bereaved, and the youth who are ravaged by drugs and unemployment, and those who are ravaged by want. To serve Libya and not to object except to those who want to serve another country or an international organization. Every Libyan who wants to contribute is welcome.

Q: Even forgiveness with the Brotherhood? A: The Brotherhood has two aspects, the first is that he is a Libyan person “yes” for reconciliation, and on the other hand he belongs to an international organization if he wants to make Libya submit to the interests of his organization “no”.

Q: What about your participation in the Paris Declaration? A: I am in the third row. I sat to my left of my political advisor and to my right of my office manager, and the chair I sat on was seated by the director of protocol, an old man. And your country tells you that you entered with a journalist card, my name got down as a figure 50 as an international classification, and I studied from Malaysia to Canada to America and Rome. I received the Husseini medal from His Majesty King Abdullah bin Al Hussein in Jordan, and I am proud of it because it is a medal given for academic service. A Libyan person for immorality in the rivalry challenge your entry to a conference, but these fates.

Q: Do you get annoyed by criticism? A: 7 years of lying, slander and fabrication, and I say that I will be nominated, praise be to God. I have many sins.

Q: What is the date of the press conference that you will hold to present the vision of reviving Libya? A: We will announce it at the time, and it will be after the parliament session. Entry to parliament according to the vision, and I welcome every Libyan man and woman who shares our opinion and wants to run. We welcome them and we will participate with them in our training courses, our scientific theses and the solutions we will present.

Q: Do you dare to launch the electoral campaign from your home in Ben Ashour? A: I have a home in Tripoli, Benghazi, Bani Walid and Zintan. The launch is the first in terms of submission because we will invite the media. It may be outside Libya, but after that we will launch to every village and city Libya, including Tripoli.

I want to say that Libya is a good country with oil, minerals, seas, valleys, agricultural areas, clean air, and Libya is adjacent to huge countries and markets, and it can be the best country in the region, or even one of the best countries in the world.

Q: To what degree does your program converge with another candidate's program that used to show a lot of videos and talk about solar energy and transit? A: We have been talking since 2011, and if there is a tradition, it may be the other way around. These are logical matters for a person who uses his mind and abilities, and Libya can reach For these things if we are the best.

Q: If I assume the position of either the head of a government or a state, will the channel’s discourse change? Will the channel continue in its critical line of the government and the authorities, whether you are inside or outside the government? A: It will continue, God willing, and I am seriously considering offering it for sale so that there is no conflict of interest. I focus on strengthening the media channels for the Libyan citizen.